'A HUMANIST DILEMMA' Bill Hawthorn

Bill Hawthorn has exposed the moral poverty of atheism.
Ah! a UN organization to inflict more harm on poor people. What a great idea for an atheist to take up.
Blame the victim and weasel your way out of giving anyone any help.
Population growth doesn't cause earthquakes. The UN has already become an organization for Islamists and left wing cadres to manipulate for their own benefit. Now we have so called "humanists" wanting to make it even worse.
When will you people get some compassion and ordinary decency? When will you give credit to those who try, without your help, to do some good in the world?

I agree and disagree with Bill Hawthorn, whoever he is.
He is right about overpopulation. It is the elephant in the room. Why doesn't anyone want to talk about it?
Something has to be done to make sure family planning is a major part of any aid program.
We are told that educating women and making sure they have rights is the best way.
A lot of religion, especially Islamic religion, works against that.
There is no sense in cutting off aid to poor countries. Its better to make sure a lot of family planning is involved when we give it.

I don't think there is any chance the UN could carry out the things he suggests.

People like Mary don't offer any sensible solution. She and her kind are against family planning whether it is abortion or contraception.
They seem to think the world is infinite or maybe that "God will provide".
Well he hasn't provided for the Haitians or for lots of other people in trouble around the globe.

It seems that Bill finds it very hard to believe in equality; and as equality is an attitude of mind, he doesn't possess the right attitude of a humanist, which is essentially communist. The matter is a matter of capital.

Note. I am a democratic socialist; therefore, ideology should play no part in decisions made for the benefit of man, free market or otherwise. In other words, I believe in unions.

I find carusmm's answers to this and many other things rather confusing.
Are Humanists Communists? I don't think so. I regard myself as a Humanist but not a Communist.

I remember the remark sometimes made by some friends of mine who had lived in Communist states.
They said, "Communism works well in a colony of saints, but not for any one else"

The question raised by Hawthorn is both moral and practical.
Is it good to deny help to people in need because they live in the wrong country?
I think there are better ways of dealing with it than that.
We do have to make population control the big issue. We need world leaders discussing it like greenhouse gases and doing something. We will never control pollution, global warming or food and water shortages unless we deal with population.

Investment is needed, Jack1, responsible investment.

If world population doesn't decrease by peaceful means that only leaves the horrible alternatives.
The crazy thing is that there are people around who look forward to the "end times".
They imagine they will go floating up to heaven while the rest of the world's people fight to the death in Armaggedon.
It makes a depressing world for us all to live in.

Is there anyone who believes that Muslims would indulge in big families if it weren't not for the social security hand outs lots of children bring them. And even with social security it is still doubtful if they would burden themselves for most of their lives if it were not foisted upon them by their community leaders as an Islamic duty, to outbreed the populations of the countries they that have taken them in.

So population control (like charity) should begin at home, welfare payments should not be made available after a second child is born to a woman.

But as the insulation and solar panels fiasco demonstrates we have people who reach the position of leaders who lack understanding of real situations.

Jack1 no doubt carusmm must find his posts confusing also.

He is probably aware that the investments of all Islamic countries combined would not equal that of St Kitts.

It is greed which is good, Julio.

'Looks like Abbott intends to do something about the massive abuse of the welfare system and he will have about eighty percent of the nation behind him in doing so.

carusmm just how do you equate Humanism with Communism? And who is it that gave you the right to determine what Humanism actually is.? Once again you are letting your delusions of grandeur run wild.

Of course Abbott will not look at the top end of town if he wins the next election, he knows where his money is coming from.

Anne, the Marxist philosophy is a humanist love child.

Politics is all about how much you can sell out. If you look at Marxism, it is an attempt at direct democracy. It failed, the system was simply too big for it.

The Christians must have thought that it was the good old days again when they could burn humanists and Communists together and no-one neither knew the difference nor cared. I am sorry to disappoint.

Bill, I am the only one who can see your comment when you post as an anonymous user.
How about registering on the website and then your comment will be visible to everyone and I won't have to copy and paste it.

The comments suggesting that
Submitted by Bill Hawthorn (not verified) on Fri, 16/04/2010 - 23:45. *new

The comments suggesting that I have not shown compassion to the victims of the Haiti earthquake are misplaced. Of course we should help them and apart from the immediate relief of providing food and shelter they desperately need to know that their unsustainable birth rate has destroyed their Islands ability to sustain them. Once they understand this if they wish to continue to expand then they will be responsible for their own demise,,,,

If you advocate population control, Bill, you will be accused of cruelty; it is par for the course, I am afraid.

Humanists are a warrior class. Their sword is the pen.

You have to be cruel to be kind, Bill: for every argument, there is a counterargument. The Sophists tell me so.